And to continue with our guest’s story, please read on:

We asked Chris if we could use the faucets that we have since they match our bathroom and are less than a year old but he said no, that in order to have a life time warrantee we needed to have them replaced, he told us what colors were available so we went with gold. (Bet Re-Bath takes them during the install...-Hal)

When we finished up, He informed us that Re-Bath will call us to set a time. That the whole process will take only two days since we were having a new floor installed by Re-Bath too.
Normally it is 24 hours but the floor will take a day as well.
(There goes the One-Day installation they charge a premium for… -Hal)

He gave us a copy of the papers stating that the job will be completed by 7-30-09. He gave us a price of $7,858.00. We gave him a deposit of $2,620.00 and we agreed on the prices and times and dates. When he left we were very happy with our decision. This is looking really great so far!! I need to come up with $2000 more between now and then since all I saved was 6k. I think I can sell my car.

On June 26 I called Chris to make sure he ordered a 32 inch tub. I was afraid he did not since it is not written on the form that he gave us. (Re-Bath is notorious for the salesmen making promises to the customer and not documenting them, in the end, the customer is the victim.-Hal) He said no problem the customer is always right, (Remember that for later.-Hal) and that the 32 inch shower was ordered. I thanked him.

On Tuesday July 14 Re-Bath called to schedule an appointment. They set up a date of Aug 3rd for the tub to be replaced they were to return on Aug 4th to tear up the floor and then again on the 5th to lay the floor then grout.

I asked why so long that Chris had said two days, Not three? She said well the floor takes a lot of time. I said you also told me that the job would be completed by the 30th? She said they were very busy. (Always an excuse for every broken agreement or promise, it is the only way Re-Bath knows how to proceed.-Hal) I said ok it was not a big deal. So I planned to have everything done that week and I rearranged my schedule to fit it all. I can’t wait this is going to be sooooo good!!

(It sounds like our guest is happy at this point even with some of the problems encountered. Stay tuned, it will become a story all too familiar and upsetting to other Re-Bath customers.-Hal)

Compromise? Re-Bath Will Not Compromise You Give an Inch, They Demand a Mile

This was our response to that self serving attempt by Re-Bath to rewrite the facts for Re-Bath’s benefit.

This email was sent on June 11th, 2008:
“Norm,
I really thought you would offer something fairer to us considering the situation, and especially since you started off a few weeks ago by stating “We would like to resolve these issues quickly to avoid any further delay & make sure you are fully satisfied.”

But as I said yesterday, I would accept the $5050.00 and still will, although it does not fully rectify the situation nor fully compensate us for damages done.
Send your document for me to sign.

I do hope you will try and be able to get the work orders from Pronto Plumbing to us.

Please see what you can do to expedite this.

Regards”



You see that is what is called a compromise. Not a fair one for us, we are getting screwed, but we are trying to resolve this mess.
The document they sent was from another prior complaint situation apparently as it was titled as a settlement between them and Cold Stone Creamery. Sounds like they screwed Cold Stone Creamery too.
Just an observation…
Why else would such a document exist? We’re willing to listen to logical excuses.
Or did they plagiarize it? Again, with such low ethical standards as we’ve seen from Re-Bath, who knows?

And what about that invoice from Pat’s Pronto Plumbing? Why is that so difficult to get them to provide?
Could it be they want to erase the paper trail that ties them to the work? We think so; we have no reason to believe otherwise…
And it’s not like their track record smacks of honesty… Oh no, much to the contrary…

Re-Bath Tries to Void Our Warranty Or Refuse to Pay For The Damage That Warranty Was Supposed To Protect Us From

What good is a warranty if it is to be voided in order to be applied?

In a message dated 6/5/2008 3:57:04 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, nmurdock@rebath.com writes:
“Upon review of your punch list as well as the quote for your bath & kitchen ceiling repair, Re-Bath is prepared to offer you the following:
- Compensate you for the cost to repair your kitchen & bath ceilings (items 1 & 4 on your punch list) - $4,050.00
- Compensate you for the cost to repair the paint damage caused to your master bath ceiling (item 2 on your punch list) - $250
In exchange for this compensation, you agree to sign an agreement releasing Re-Bath of California, Re-Bath of San Diego & Re-Bath LLC of any further responsibility or liability & accepting the installation “as is”.
Please respond by e-mail if this is agreeable to you.
Sincerely,
Norm Murdock, CFE
Vice President - Franchise Operations
Re-Bath LLC
421 W Alameda Dr
Tempe, AZ 85282
ph 480-844-2596 ext 126
fax 480-833-7199”


Can you believe the audacity?
Re-Bath Corporate (Norm Murdock) now refuses to honor the warranty, yet they want us to absolve them of any and all responsibility in order to get them to pay for the water damage to the kitchen ceiling and bathroom floor and give up all rights to collect from Re-Bath of CA for subsequent damages. What the heck do they think a warranty is, or means?

Earlier Norm said he would compensate us fairly. This jerk now actually expects us to surrender our warranty to collect, or forfeit reimbursement of the damages they caused us. And for less that the agreed upon monetary figure! Granted the warranty probably is not worth the paper it’s written on, but how can anyone at that corporate level expect to leverage a written lifetime warranty they provide (as a cornerstone to the sale of their product) and owe on due to their own incompetence against the damages they caused.
Mind-boggling! He is either a total moron or total crook. (Anyone wishing to vote or comment is welcome to.) What he is trying to do is absolutely criminal.

Let’s make this clear to everyone reading this. By law you cannot force someone to give up the rights to the warranty in order for them to collect on that warranty. Think about it.

Let’s say you buy a new car. Let’s say it comes with a 6 year 60,000 mile bumper to bumper warranty, pretty standard stuff.
When it only has been driven 50 miles, the engine blows up. The dealer and the manufacturer then tell you they will only fix it if you sign off and state that if any else ever goes wrong with that car, it is not under any warranty. If you don’t sign away your warranty, they will not fix or repair the car. You are stuck with it.

Of course that is illegal in the automotive world and in business in general. But that is exactly what Re-Bath VP Norm Murdock was demanding!

Do you really want to deal with a company that operates with those kinds of deceitful ethics?

Another point to be made is that Dave Sanders, the President of Re-Bath corporate was being copied on every email sent to Re-Bath, and refused to take our calls or respond to voice mail messages or email messages. In effect hiding under his desk it seemed. But then we got the same impression from Mr. Murdock on many occasions too. Sure makes them look like a bunch of cowards and cheats, and their actions shore up that perspective too.

Interestingly enough we recently came across another blog that parallels our terrible treatment by Re-Bath.

We’re taking a break in the telling of this soap opera / nightmare to pass this recently discovered information on to you. After all, the main purpose of this blog is to protect other potential customers of Re-Bath from falling victim to their tactics. At least to make them aware of how they have treated other customers. Yeah, odds are they’ll treat you the same if you give them the chance.

We sure wish we had found that blog before we contracted with and got screwed by Re-Bath of California, and then Re-bath Corporate in Arizona, and then Re-Bath of San Diego, then Re-Bath corporate again....

Just type in “Re-Bath Liars” in Google and it will come up as one the first links on the first page. The same name as one of the people at Re-Bath who tried so hard to cheat us is in that blog too, go figure.
And there are multiple listings of people who refer to Re-Bath people as liars, not just one or two. Wonder why that is? And within those listings are many more. Could it be that they are LIARS!?

It was not just a fluke that we had these problems, it is now painfully obvious that it is the way Re-Bath operates through out the whole country. There are far fewer happy customers (Are there really any? The “happy” ones sound like shills.), than ones that have been Ripped Off by Re-bath. And since most people don’t go public with these situations, one can only imagine the true numbers of dissatisfied victims of Re-Bath nationally. The percentage has to be staggering.

For those interested here is the direct link we found:

http://www.ohword.com/blog/340/dear-home-depot-re-bath-of-connecticut

We sincerely hope it is OK that we posted that link. We will gladly remove it if asked, but since it is offering protection in providing similar information to potential consumers, we thought it was the right thing to do.

Re-Bath Has NO Sympathy For Their Customers Major Inconveniences (Which Re-Bath Causes). They Seem In Fact to Relish Punishing Them for Being Stupid

Norm’s response was sent the following day. That is SIX FREAKING DAYS WITHOUT OUR SHOWER so far…! This could have been done on Monday, it should have been done on Saturday! But no, that would mean consideration and actually thinking of the best interests of the people they took gobs of money from to install this cheap looking facade.
Again, I digress, please read on:

Sent to us on 5-22-08

"At this point, I would suggest the following:

Re-Bath will authorize you to repair the following with a plumber of your choice:

- Reinstall the escutcheon plate with clear sealant
- Repair the shower head

For convenience, given the scheduling issues, please contract this work directly & forward the invoice to Re-Bath LLC at the address below for prompt payment.

Best regards,

Norm Murdock, CFE
Vice President - Franchise Operations
Re-Bath LLC
421 W Alameda Dr
Tempe, AZ 85282
ph 480-844-2596 ext 126
fax 480-833-7199”


Please explain why after repeatedly asking for our local qualified honest clean plumber to be allowed do these repairs, it has taken an entire pain in the ass week just to authorize him to fix Re-Baths and their agents screw-ups!

And do they really expect to be able to "fix" that cheapo plastic showerhead?

Why could this not have been set up before? The Re-Bath approach to that question? Because that would have been the right thing to do.

Re-Bath does not do the right thing. It is not what they do. They do rip people off, (us), they lied in their advertising, (did to us, and probably thousands of others) they lied in their sales pitches, (did to us), they lied to the customer at every instance when things go bad, (yep us too), which is very often, (if not nearly always in our experience).
They seem to thrive on inconveniencing the customers as they in effect steal from them by installing sub-standard materials and damaging their property, all the while blaming the customer for basically being stupid enough to have hired them in the first place.
Yeah, harsh, but it is what happened to us!

Re-Bath of San Diego and Re-Bath Corporate Drop the Ball Again and Leave Us with No Shower

Now Tuesday May 20th has rolled around and we have not had the use of our shower for another four days now due to the total and unrelenting incompetence of Re-Bath. We were told on Saturday the 17th that a plumber would be dispatched on Monday the 19th, but Re-Bath drug it’s feet and did not do what they said they would.
(Wow News Flash! Re-Bath Lied!? Naw, it happens all the time, put it on the back page, old news...)

We called Myrna at Re-Bath S.D. since she did not provide us with a valid email address the last time we spoke on the day before. (BTW, Talking with her is not an enjoyable experience, at least for us.)
There is no excuse for disabling a customer’s shower and then refusing to put it back in working order ASAP. You can’t tell us what Myrna, and possibly Heidi, were doing by causing delays wasn’t punitive, and Myrna had a copped really bitchy attitude towards us on the phone, but then again she showed that side of her back when her workers were late several weeks ago too.
After trying to get some action to get our shower back in working order via phone calls, we realized we were going to need a paper trail, so to speak, so we went back to reiterating most of our phone conversations in emails and Word documents, it was a way to keep things honest as the written word can cut down a lot on hearsay, and time has a way of twisting some memories. We had no idea how correct and beneficial that line of logic would turn out to be.

We had to call Re-Bath corporate now since Myrna was claiming it was out of her hands, yet she was the one who was to dispatch the plumber from San Diego. We never should have trusted her to initiate dispatching a plumber as we were told.
(Yeah, we really should have heeded that old Aesop’s Fable. Kick me once shame on the ass, kick me twice, shame on me. Ha, just noticed that, “ass”, how ironically appropriate!)
But really, who would expect anyone to believe that someone in Tempe Arizona would be required to dispatch a plumber from San Diego California to drive to Los Angeles California? We still don’t believe it. Why not use a good “local to the problem” plumber and expedite the repair instead of inconveniencing the customer as much as possible?

Hmmm, think we just hit on another something there; it is all about treating us as bad as they can get away with at this point. It’s the only thing that really jibes with the facts.

At this point it was getting ridiculous how they were saying it was everyone else’s responsibility and acting like we were really unreasonable for wanting a shower (our primary shower) to be useable! And this over a “One Day Installation” that was supposed to be finished about 8 months ago!

Re-Bath really sucks, (for lack of a better term)! But then again, they sure seem to try hard to. At least they can accomplish that one something they set out to do... They certainly have proved to us they cannot do what they advertise though.

Re-Bath Corporate VP Sends a B.S. Email

On 5-19-08 we received this response from Norm Murdock, a VP of Re-Bath corporate. We thought he was going to finally take some responsibility and try to make something right in this mess.
We found his choice of wording in his first paragraph particularly interesting, especially the second sentence.
And also the second to the last sentence in the last paragraph.

Don’t want to ruin the story for you, but it is pure unadulterated poppycock. Or, well, really much worse… I’m sorry; I have to throw the bullshit flag with this pant load he wrote, or more likely pulled off the company apology list.
Please remember, it has been eight months since this started and he has known about it for most of that time, and we have had prior contact with him and the President of Re-Bath, Dave Sanders.
Anyhow, please read on:

"Heidi Seyler forwarded your e-mail to me below.First of all let me apologize for the unpleasant experience you have hadwith Re-Bath. We aim to complete all customers' jobs in a timely fashion totheir complete satisfaction.Here are the facts as I understand them. The work was originally completedunsatisfactorily by Re-Bath of CA. We then dispatched San Diego Re-Bath tofix the problems with the original installation that you were not satisfiedwith. I understand that the urgent issue today relates to a loose plumbingvalve/faucet; Heidi is working with San Diego Re-Bath to try to get aservice technician there tomorrow (Tuesday) to repair. I also understandthat there may be some water damage associated with a leaky valve/faucet forwhich you are getting an estimate to repair & you will forward to us uponreceipt.What I am unclear about are any other "punch list" items that need to becorrected from the work completed by San Diego Re-Bath. If you could provideus a detailed list of these items, we can work with them to address. Wewould like to resolve these issues quickly to avoid any further delay & makesure you are fully satisfied. Please feel free to e-mail this list directlyto me.
Sincerely,
Norm Murdock,
CFEVice President - Franchise Operations
Re-Bath LLC421 W Alameda DrTempe, AZ 85282
ph 480-844-2596 ext 126
fax 480-833-7199"

All we could think of from reading that was: Yeah, right Mr. Murdock, we’d like to believe you, really we would. But look at the track record of all the Re-Bath employees we have had the awful experiences dealing with. We’ll give you the benefit of the doubt for now, we are fair people, certainly a lot fairer sounding than your cohorts, and we will give you the opportunity to prove those words true, if you can!
As much as we hoped, we knew deep down he would probably still try to cheat us, and we were right, he did.

More Unprofessional Behavior From Re-Bath and Re-Bath Allies

The water had to be shut off and instead of allowing us to call our local responsible regular plumber; they had one sent from San Diego, probably over 100 miles away.
Yes, it took hours for them to arrive, and yes it was very inconvenient again.
We were even treated to a hard sell scare sales pitch by them to have them install a $490.00 valve so our pipes don’t burst. What a load of hogwash.
They claimed they were the official Re-Bath plumbers for all installations from Los Angeles to San Diego.

We asked why this was the first time they were ever here as every Re-Bath install attempt done here required a plumber. It’s interesting that they have an “official” plumber, but choose not to use them twice at the expense of our home due to the leaks they caused. Or he could just be lying? We’ll leave that one out there without making a definitive call.

We will say that he refused to provide any paperwork regarding the work done on our home. We must have asked a half dozen times, and he said he would only provide documentation if we paid him right then. For repairing incorrectly done plumbing by Re-Bath? Well, it seems they are just as ethical as Re-Bath, birds of feather you know.
He did finally agree to leave a work order documenting what work was done. But he high tailed it out as fast as he could without providing it. Yes, we consider that to be dishonesty.

We got the water turned back on and they went back to work on the installation, but they still managed to screw it up by hacking up the wall to the point they had to extend the wall panel out and leave partial tiles to cover the additional damage they caused. It looks like a second grader did the job, an uncoordinated second grader at that. This was one of the main points of the cosmetic side of the installation we were concerned about. It was discussed every step of the way, yet they still were able to screw it up AGAIN! We cannot believe how stupid these jerks are! Or are they ignorant? Or do they just not care? Sadly it is the consumer who ultimately has to live with this crap.
They were unable to make any of the wall panels look like much more than a patch job.

We also noticed that despite the sales pitch of using mold and mildew proof adhesives to attach the wall panels, the stuff they were using this time had no such fungicides in it. The earlier installations used an adhesive with fungicides, but then again, we saw how well that worked. We know this because we read the labels on the tubes during each installation.
When we asked about this discrepancy we were met with the tactic of “we won’t finish if you don’t let us use it and then you won’t have a shower”. Great, childish threats again, ho-hum… Then it was back to the old “it’s what Re-Bath always uses”. That was a lie too… No surprise, but very tiring to say the least. Then it became, “you tell us what to use”. Why should we have to tell the “professionals” what they should know? We are just comparing what we were sold with what they were installing. You know they would say it voids the warranty too. Another Bait & Switch deal from Re-Bath?

A Re-Bath Scam Theory

Well, instead of being able to get this next uncomfortable experience over in timely manner, once again we were told we had to wait for materials. This will turn out to be more than six weeks of waiting.
This has always had us wondering. When they really needed to, they showed up with materials the next day, but they make it sound like they have to make it just for you. Only when they come with the panels, they always have to cut them to fit onsite. And the pattern we chose we were told was one of most, if not the most, common pattern.
What gives? Are they lying? We think so, but about what? In this case we don’t know, or why? You would think the sooner they finished the job the sooner they would get paid.

Oh yeah, that’s right, they illegally charge the customer 50% down payment before “ordering” the materials. California law states that a down payment for this type of work is to be no more than $500.00 or 10% down.

Let’s see how this could work shall we?
We’ll bet they create this false wait time to somehow justify the excessive down payment. This way they rip off the consumer before they even provide anything tangible. And when they screw up on the installation, or just don’t finish it, they are already turning a profit. We wonder how many times they never come back to do the installation at all?
Then when they sue the unsuspecting customer for the balance they claim is due, they can’t lose in their mind. They already have most of what they want, (since they charged more than the materials actually cost), now they claim if the customer doesn’t pay up, they lose the warranty which frees Re-Bath from any responsibility, or if they some how collect, its pure profit on top of it all.

That plays out to be quite a scam don’t you think?! Conspiracy theory? You decide. We are just spit balling ideas...

Re-Bath Fails Again. Same Crappy Work, Different Day

They came back Saturday the 22nd of March; at least they came in the morning, later than they said they would be back, but still in the AM. One would think they could be on time, especially when they are staying locally so they can be on time. But one would be wrong…

Considering it was a “One Day Installation” and they had already spent a full day of working on it the day and evening before, we expected them to be done by midday.

Well of course they weren’t. It was about 3:00PM when they finally claimed they were done. And they repeatedly had to remind us that they were working on Saturday and not getting paid for it, and that it was keeping them from their families.
Imagine! They are feeling inconvenienced? Boo Hoo.
Give us a break! Of course they were getting paid, they would not have done this for free, but to whine to us that this was keeping them from their families when their own tardiness and slow working caused us to miss yet another family function and also miss work ourselves, therefore losing income.
We believe we were suffering from what they were complaining about on a much higher scale. The gall of these people!

We inspected the installation and at first glance it looked pretty good. Then we opened the doors and noticed that they were not hung straight. At least this time they were not upside down, but they were obviously crooked. Luis, the lead installer told us they do that on purpose to keep the water in.
Huh? When the doors were closed there was a gap from about midway up.

Then we noticed the window trim was not even installed square to the window, or the walls. And the caulking was very sloppy, AGAIN. Even after we pointed out how poorly the caulk was the first time and we were told they could make it right this time, they failed.
Isn’t caulking one of the most basic skills one should grasp to do any job of this type? Even we can caulk 100% better than these clowns.
But they claim to be the professionals. And on top of that, the best Re-Bath of San Diego has to offer no less.
If that’s the best they have we sincerely urge you to look elsewhere and avoid using them at all costs, because it will cost you…

The linoleum floor was now cut away the entire length of the shower pan. They said they would have to trim a little to make it fit, but since the floor had been damaged so badly by Re-Bath of Ca, they just hacked it up even more and made it a total mess and fully revealed the wood floor. Now there was a big gap between the floor and the pan. Any water that will most assuredly splash out (from the incorrectly hung shower door) will spill onto the now fully unprotected raw wood floor. And they use the same Re-Bath line, “it was that way before!”

Then we see that the panel where the fixtures are (the one that leaked) is bowed in! Just like the opposite wall was from the earlier installation! These guys make fun of the crappy work done by their contemporaries, yet only succeed in repeating the same mistakes!

We see white caulking slivers embedded it the clear silicone. We see smears of glue or caulk or silicone on every wall, and gobs of silicone in the shower. We see the paint on the walls and ceiling is damaged further. We see the baseboards are cut off and missing. More damage than repair if you ask us. Everywhere we look it becomes more and more apparent the Re-Bath installers sent to us are inept sloppy hacks that resort to lies to explain why it doesn’t look like what Re-Bath sells.
They have no answer for how all these problems manifested themselves (again), but admit that the bow in the wall is a mistake (finally!) assure us that they will return and replace it. They also assure us Myrna, the manager of Re-Bath of San Diego will call us first thing Monday morning. You see where this is going don’t you. Do you think we received a call? Of course not, this is Re-Bath!

Re-Bath on time? No Way! That Would Require Consideration for the Customer

Someone had to be home to let these guys from San Diego Re-Bath in, so we took time off work to be home at the prescribed AM time on Friday March 21st, 2008. Of course they showed up late, after all it is the Re-Bath way. So when they arrived mid-day, (effectively robbing us of a half days pay) they say they now probably won’t be able to finish in one day. You do remember the ads, ONE DAY INSTALLATION? Don’t you believe it. And this was for a job that already had the bulk of the work done. More like a retrofit than a new full demo rebuild job.
Well, maybe if they could show up on time they could do the job in the time frame they sell you on? Maybe? Too much to ask? For them, yes. That would require honesty or integrity, two things Re-Bath is very short on.
(They claimed there was a wreck on the freeway that tied them up, but when we searched the internet for evidence of this “wreck” we could not find any mention of it and we never heard any mention of it on the news. They described a very scary sounding roll over accident. And they were very thorough in their description of this “accident”, where it was, what happened and the vehicles involved. This is a key point as it comes up again later.)

Good thing we scheduled them to come on Friday. Even though they said it was going to be a one day job, you know damn well if they came on Saturday they would not have finished, and they would not come back until Heaven knows when since the following Sunday was Easter. We made it clear we had family coming over on Sunday, and we were assured they would be done. (Too bad it would not be done correctly…)

Once they removed the acrylic wall panel that has the plumbing behind it, we found out that Re-Bath of CA had created a leak when they installed the plumbing, (unlicensed plumbing work too).
It had been leaking for months!
We checked the kitchen ceiling downstairs, (the bathroom is above the kitchen) and it appeared the leak had only damaged a section that was over some wall cabinets. Being fair people, (that’s a trait that will get you screwed royally when dealing with Re-Bath), we did not require them to repair the damage they had now caused to our downstairs ceiling as it was not visible and we figured we’d always have cabinets there.
If you are nice to them it’s like blood in the water to a shark.

The leak obviously had to be stopped. So the San Diego Re-Bath guys told us they could fix it. But now we were without water in the whole house, as it had to be shut off, for a few hours. Never mind the inconvenience (you may recall the Re-Bath slogan “No Inconvenience”, Ha Ha, right…).
We never should have trusted them, but they said they could do it as it wasn’t really plumbing work, just a re-soldering of a fitting. (You probably guessed they don’t have a plumbing license either, you’re right.) But they attempted to (and claimed they did) fix it nonetheless, and much to our detriment as we will sadly find out later.
Ironically they were bad mouthing (justifiably) the shoddy work and sloppiness of the “finished” job Re-Bath of Ca did. We guess they figured if they made fun of the crap the last guys did we would think they were on our side. We saw it as lack of professionalism.

Well, they worked all afternoon and into the evening; we even fed them dinner as well as gave them soft drinks and bottled water throughout the day, that’s just the way we are. We guess they took our courtesy as us being suckers.

Mind you we missed being able to share another family oriented celebration due to Re-Bath’s pattern of not arriving on time and not finishing in the time frame they establish. But since we were hoping to be done with this nightmare and were willing to persevere through yet another round of what they call bath improvement we just accepted it as par for the course...

Re-Bath is making it harder and harder for us to believe anything they tell us.

We went to court and we were appalled at the lies told by Randy Summy under oath. We were surprised the judge did not call him on them too, but since he was an “English as a second language” judge we think Randy got away with a lot due to the judges inability to understand the situation.
But he was able to see in the pictures the crappy work done by Re-Bath and even made a point to ask how Randy could possibly say that the job they did was acceptable.
Of course Randy Summy lost; after all he had no legal right to sue us since he never finished the job. You can’t sue for payment of an unfinished job. At least you can’t win. What a cheat and an idiot. OK that is repetitive. But you would probably repeat that too if it happened to you.

Unfortunately we did not win our counter suit, but the main reason for that is with only about two weeks notice we did not have time to prepare. As mentioned repeatedly earlier, we were not legally served.
In retrospect we guess it would have been better to not show up at the court at all, we were not served so no judgment would have been made. We would have “won” by default, or Randy would have had to re-file. But that is not the way we are, you see we follow the rules even when others are cheating.

After the judgment we contacted Re-Bath Corporate again and pointed out that we had followed the rules and met our obligations only to be left with an unfinished mess (that we paid for) in our bathroom due to the dishonest tactics of Re-Bath of California and Randy Summy.

They agreed that what was done to us by Randy Summy and Re-Bath of California was wrong and offered to have the installation redone. We of course told them it would have to be done by another branch of the company as it was fully proven that Re-Bath of California neither had the experience, skill or integrity to do the job correctly.

Oh, did we fail to mention that the wall panels had come off the walls by this time and were sagging and bellowing out? And this was only in December of 2007. Not even three months old and the installation, as crappy as it looked, became even worse and was failing in a multitude of ways. This is what is called a fact.

And there was mold all over the place. Another issue they guaranteed we would never have to deal with again. Every time we turn around we find they told more lies.

Oh yeah, the corner seat… What about it? It collapsed, could not hold the weight. (We are not big people either.) Mind you this was not the one they originally sold us. (Surprised?) It was a lower quality substitution they brought with them and told us it was a better unit. Like most other times they switched materials on us, we pointed out it did not look as nice as what we were sold, but they argued we would be pleased. And this was supposed to have a lifetime warranty? Cheats and liars, Re-Bath of CA can’t tell the truth for anything apparently.

Back to the story at hand, Re-Bath Corporate said they would correctly re-install the shower at no additional cost to us. They were going to have their best installers do the job. But when they could not get them to come to do the work, (this was many weeks later), they said they would have Re-Bath of San Diego come up to do the work. We were assured they were the best in the area and were not affiliated with Re-Bath of Ca. Well, one of those claims was true, the San Diego Re-Bath is not owned by the Summy family of shysters.

They scheduled the work to be done on Good Friday which was March 21st, 2008. It’s been almost six months since this horrid experience began.

Again we were told they would be able to do most (if not all) of the work in one day and finish some small details on Saturday. You probably know that is not how it played out…

NEWS FLASH! Re-Bath of CA and Randy Summy are NOT LEGALLY LICENESED!

We had found out that the license Randy Summy was using on his contracts was actually his daddies. That, by the way, is against the law, and he knew it.

On 10-24-07 we called Randy Summy at 10:05AM, we dialed 562-426-1628 asked to speak to Randy’s daddy, Lloyd Summy and were told he was not in. We recognized the voice and asked if it was Randy speaking and he said yes and he asked if he could help, we told him that we wanted to talk to Lloyd Summy personally. He said he wasn’t in the office now. We asked when he would be back in the office and Randy said some time next week. We asked, what date would he be in next week and then Randy said in a couple of weeks, then he said sometime next month. Real Honest!
He asked if he could help again (obviously not sharp enough to know who he was talking to) and we said, we have this license number and think it is on your business card and he said “Oh, I don’t have that number on my card anymore” and then we asked “When did you take it off your card?”, he said “I don’t do any contracting under this license number.” We said good bye and hung up. Yes, that is another blatant lie as was mentioned earlier, it is in writing on the contract he and Re-Bath of California used to rip us off.
We subsequently found out Lloyd Summy’s past record of being a shyster is rather long. Use a business to rip people off, change the name when they get caught, start over and rip more people off, repeat… The boy is taking after his father no doubt… Slimy family practices… Shame on them!

On the same day, 10-24-07, Heidi finally called about 12:55 PM, (she was supposed to have called a day earlier). After talking with her for a bit we realized she did not have a copy of the letter from Randy we received 10-23-07. We faxed a copy to her at (480-833-7199) so she could see how ridiculous Randy’s assertions were and hopefully understand what we were dealing with. She told me she and her superior, VP of Re-Bath corporate, (and we find out later another disingenuous person to say the least), Norm Murdock had spoken to Randy and were going to let him “help” us. UNBELIEVABLE! We reiterated he was doing everything he could to NOT HELP US and we felt he was actually becoming “unhinged”.
Again, no call back or email from Heidi by about 6:00PM (as we were told to expect sometime in the afternoon), so we called and left a message requesting her to verify receipt of the fax.
(You have to do that with these people we have found out, they will deny receipt, and even lied about the time they received one particular fax, but that will be discussed later.)
Subsequently we were led to believe that Re-Bath corporate was going to help us get things taken care of after all, but they would not commit to specifics. We should have known better, because unfortunately we were about to be treated to another attempt by Randy to screw us even more…
AGAIN WE HAVE TO SAY, WE RECOMMEND YOU DO NOT DEAL WITH RE-BATH, YOU WILL REGRET IT!

No Call? Well, no real surprise, At first…

Tuesday 10-23-07. No call from anyone at Re-Bath, not a surprise, it is their standard mode of operating. Seems the only time you can get a call back from this group is when they think you are ignorant fresh meat. But, we did receive a letter. (Not at all a suitable substitution for the phone call we were told to expect.) An interesting letter nonetheless from the deranged mind of Randy Summy in which he claims we are the ones who will not compromise. But in fact it is he that has refused to follow what we earlier had discussed. According to the letter, to him compromise means we accept the crappy job Re-Bath of California did, and the damage they caused, with no repairs and no warranty. He also accused us of harassing his employees and called us racists! He told us on the 6th it was our fault for not supervising the workers. Then he claims we were harassing them by checking on them (as he told us to) periodically on the 7th. Never mind that he told us it was our “responsibility” to make sure it was being done the way we wanted, and had we not “supervised” as he told us to do, they would have done even more improper and schlocky work. Not that they did what we asked or even what they agreed to do when we made comments and expressed our concerns about the way it was turning out anyway. Randy offers no resolutions, and refuses to carry on any discussion, he claims we twisted his words and his salesman’s words, yet he still won’t abide by what he told us he would do when he was here in person on the 12th. He was not present when the order was placed with the salesman, I’d like to know where he comes up with his versions. (They aren’t even the same version each time!) This letter we received was a response to correspondence we sent him outlining the issues at hand and some resolutions to them, including compromises by us. He breached the contract by : Not doing a One Day Installation. Not doing a “No Stress” job. Not doing a “No Mess” job. Not Finishing the project. Not doing what was agreed upon, both at the time of the sale, and at the time when he came out and said he would take care of it on the 12th of October. Plus he owes us for the damages to our property and aggravation and inconvenience caused by Randy and his agents being dishonest and not dealing professionally. We were willing to compromise with the window wall not being centered, and the thickness of the material sold us not being as thick, or as rigid as we were sold. Any compromise we discussed with Randy was accepted by him when it benefited him, but no balance was offered after the initial agreement. He retracted his counter offer, yet still expects us to uphold the compromises we offered. He only wants us to give up something for no return or benefit. He obviously does not understand the concept of two parties compromising. He wants us to accept the poor workmanship and substitution of sub standard materials, yet he is unwilling to even try to finish the job. This guy is being a sleazy snake. Talk about NO ETHICS! Our offers of compromise are now retracted as no agreement could be made with this arrogant liar. DO NOT DEAL WITH RE-BATH OF CALIFORNIA, OR ANY OTHER RE-BATH FOR THAT MATTER. You will probably be screwed and ripped-off like we were if you do!

No Call? Well, no real surprise, At first…

Tuesday 10-23-07. No call from anyone at Re-Bath, not a surprise, it is their standard mode of operating. Seems the only time you can get a call back from this group is when they think you are ignorant fresh meat.

But, we did receive a letter. (Not at all a suitable substitution for the phone call we were told to expect.) An interesting letter nonetheless from the deranged mind of Randy Summy in which he claims we are the ones who will not compromise. But in fact it is he that has refused to follow what we earlier had discussed. According to the letter, to him compromise means we accept the crappy job Re-Bath of California did, and the damage they caused, with no repairs and no warranty.
He also accused us of harassing his employees and called us racists! He told us on the 6th it was our fault for not supervising the workers. Then he claims we were harassing them by checking on them (as he told us to) periodically on the 7th.
Never mind that he told us it was our “responsibility” to make sure it was being done the way we wanted, and had we not “supervised” as he told us to do, they would have done even more improper and schlocky work.
Not that they did what we asked or even what they agreed to do when we made comments and expressed our concerns about the way it was turning out anyway.
Randy offers no resolutions, and refuses to carry on any discussion, he claims we twisted his words and his salesman’s words, yet he still won’t abide by what he told us he would do when he was here in person on the 12th.
He was not present when the order was placed with the salesman, I’d like to know where he comes up with his versions. (They aren’t even the same version each time!) This letter we received was a response to correspondence we sent him outlining the issues at hand and some resolutions to them, including compromises by us.

He breached the contract by :
Not doing a One Day Installation.
Not doing a “No Stress” job.
Not doing a “No Mess” job.
Not Finishing the project.

Not doing what was agreed upon, both at the time of the sale, and at the time when he came out and said he would take care of it on the 12th of October.

Plus he owes us for the damages to our property and aggravation and inconvenience caused by Randy and his agents being dishonest and not dealing professionally.

We were willing to compromise with the window wall not being centered, and the thickness of the material sold us not being as thick, or as rigid as we were sold. Any compromise we discussed with Randy was accepted by him when it benefited him, but no balance was offered after the initial agreement.
He retracted his counter offer, yet still expects us to uphold the compromises we offered. He only wants us to give up something for no return or benefit. He obviously does not understand the concept of two parties compromising. He wants us to accept the poor workmanship and substitution of sub standard materials, yet he is unwilling to even try to finish the job. This guy is being a sleazy snake. Talk about NO ETHICS!
Our offers of compromise are now retracted as no agreement could be made with this arrogant liar. DO NOT DEAL WITH RE-BATH OF CALIFORNIA, OR ANY OTHER RE-BATH FOR THAT MATTER. You will probably be screwed and ripped-off like we were if you do!

Meeting of the weasel…

On Friday 10-12-07, Randy Summy showed up at 3:50 PM, first time we met the guy face to face, and the first time ever an agent of Re-Bath arrived on time from day one. He spent an hour viewing the shower and surrounding areas.

He immediately refused to take responsibility for the problems. Even though we conceded his salesman apparently misled us and we were willing to compromise, he was not willing to be fair.
He actually expected us to OK a cover up of the damaged floor before the wall was removed. As soon as the incorrectly installed wall gets removed more damage would happen to the floor. And you know damn well he’d blame us for that too.

He continued to blame us for ostensibly trusting the salesman. Sadly he even chastised us for believing and trusting what he himself said before we signed up with Re-Bath. Hard to believe, to our faces he actually blamed us for not getting what we wanted from him in writing even though he gave us his word and said his word is very good!? HUH? And he was holding the document he requested we write in his hand! And then he tentatively approved it. This guy can’t even keep on one side of any train of thought! Not a trustworthy person. Very disingenuous. No that’s not strong enough, or fully correct, he lied and used Bait & Switch tactics on this project!
He said they would give us the shampoo tray and grab bar we ordered and that Oscar said he’d install them. Give us what we ordered and paid for yet didn’t have installed? How nice.
We pointed out the inconvenience they had caused us in addition not executing the one-day installation. Remember, it has now been a full week since it was supposed to be done. He said he’d think of compensation. Why do we think he will not be fair in this issue of compensation…?
We asked him to put himself in our place, how would he like to be in this situation, especially when he had the power to resolve this almost a week ago? He countered back again blaming us for what the salesman did. Great customer service!

He said he’d call us Monday the 15th, at least we got him to give us his email address, (assuming it is correct).

Well, Saturday 10-20-07 rolls around and we have received no responses from Randy Summy or Heidi Seyler to our emails. (That’s five days past when he said he would contact us. Yep, seems he lies like a rug.) So we called Randy at 11:23 AM at the number he provided. Although he said he could be reached Saturdays, we got a message saying the office was closed. We left a message asking him to respond via phone or email, and repeated our phone number to make sure he couldn’t say he didn’t have it. Oh yeah, this is Randy Summy, (the guy who apparently lies to us regarding just about everything), we are dealing with...
We also called Heidi Seyler at 11:30 AM and left message asking for a response since it quite apparent Randy is trying to rip us off and is not addressing the issues we had discussed.


Two more days pass and it is now Monday 10-22-07. Spoke to Heidi and she told us Randy had asked her not to help us! Not to mediate! Of course, he is being dishonest in his representation of the situation to her, and he does not want to work with us, let alone be fair. We are surprised Re-Bath corporate is allowing this shyster to rip us off and not protect either the consumer, or what we thought was their good business reputation.
She said she would call back Tuesday the 23rd. What do you think? Very doubtful she will from these people's track record so far. Stay tuned…

We did a search for "Weasel Definitions". This is the first one of about 15 definitions.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rlz=1G1GGLQ_ENUS342&q=define%3A+weasel&aq=0&aqi=l1g1&aql=&oq=weasel+Definition&gs_rfai=

Definitions of weasel on the Web:
A person who is regarded as treacherous or sneaky.

Just a point of clarification...

Since the Re-Bath of CA Franchise had proven their dishonesty and lack of abilities…

It is now Monday the 8th, four days after the “One Day Installation” began. We still have not been able to use our shower.

We waited to hear from Randy Summy at Re-Bath of California as we were told he would contact us on Monday morning. Of course we received no call from the jerk.

So we called the BBB and spoke with them from 11:00- 11:15 AM. To be fair we waited until a little after 2:00PM, since we still had not received the call from Randy, we filed a formal complaint with the BBB.
We figured if Randy had a problem with this, he would simply be reminded that Oscar told us he’d call him and that we should expect a call from Randy Monday (today) morning, they all have cell phones, and no valid excuses…

We called around and contacted Re-Bath Corporate in Arizona at 2:27PM at 480-844-1575.
Spoke with Heidi Seyler and explained our discontent with the service we received. She asked if we had any pictures. We sent her 12 photos with explanations and the commentary written during Saturday. She said she would call back by 4:30 the same day.

4:45PM rolls around and no call from her either. An email was sent asking her to call in the morning.

At 4:50PM we used the shower for the first time. We noticed white caulk imbedded in the clear silicone on the door frame. The door handle is installed backwards and not accessible from the inside. It was all we could do to not fall from slipping on what must be silicone residue slopped on the floor. And mind you they never installed the “safety” grab bar. Would have come in handy…

About 5:30 Heidi finally called and we discussed the photographs and commentary. She said she’ll call by 12:30PM Tuesday the 9th (the following day) after she speaks with Randy. We did not discuss with her the new issues we just noticed and experienced, figured she had enough to get started…

It’s still Saturday, and it ain’t getting’ better… Deeper maybe…

Oscar the sloppy installer showed how the window frame would help the mask look of the mismatched window wall tiles. It still is not even or what was assured would be done, but it is a minor (very minor) improvement, certainly not a fix.

We were asked to sign more authorizations of work to be done and informed that we had signed them earlier by Randy. We don’t know how that could be, after all, we declined signing. Now it seems Randy is claiming we had authorized things we did not authorize by signing other paperwork. What a lying sack of you know what! At 2:10 PM we asked Oscar when he thought he'd be done today, he said “by 5:00”.

"Really? How about 6:00? Just to be sure?".

He said "Yes, by 6:00 he'd be all done." (It was one of our birthdays and we had dinner plans with two other couples. We had already missed out on celebrating the night before due to these jerks.)

Since Randy implied it was our fault the installation, and everything else were done wrong, it was decided to check on Oscar today while he worked. We watched as he and his helper put up the fixture wall (where the shower head comes out), it looked nice and we were was relieved that no apparent damage had been done to the surrounding areas.

Checking back about 3:00 and we noticed fresh gouges in the ceiling. This was another item that had been addressed with John who assured us there had nothing to worry about as it was not an installation that would cause ceiling or wall damage that would be visible. A large concern, we knew that was a custom color and that we did not have any touch up, or even the paint code, John was told of this too. While we are aware what is on the contract, we are also quite aware of what was told to us and sold on by John.

At 6:00PM we checked and saw that the third wall was still not up, nor was the window frame installed.
Now Oscar says he'd be done about 7:30PM.
So much for the 7:30 reservations with our family to celebrate the Birthday.

We verified with Oscar mid-day and even added a buffer, but no, they can’t do what they say, EVER! Are they liars or incompetents? Or both? Great job on inconveniencing us on multiple levels!

7:30PM rolls around, and they are still “working” away, and we know it needs at least one more trip back to finish no matter what gets done.
ONE DAY INSTALLATION! Great slogan! Too bad it turned out to be just a bold faced lie!

Since we planned to go to a dinner party, we did not plan for food for dinner this night, and we can't leave while they are here, plus the fact we can't conveniently clean up as they have removed our primary bathroom from service.

8:00PM, the third wall lines do not line up to the window wall horizontally, even though we were told by Oscar it would, the caulking is uneven, and smeared on surfaces that need to be repainted, and the caulk is unpaintable according to the label.
It is the worst caulking job we have ever seen, EVER! Yes, it was that bad!

We pointed out that the fixtures are made of plastic, not metal as we were sold. The holder of the hand shower head won't even stay on the wall, it fell off at least three times just during our couple minute conversation, and that was without the weight of the shower head in it, never mind it did not match the pictures shown during the sales presentation.

At 8:30PM, we still cannot have dinner, we have missed the family party and the workmanship has declined severely so there was no benefits of having the work continue into the night.

At 8:50PM we look at what is considered by Oscar as "finished" and immediately see sloppy caulking, a gouge in the shower pan, crooked window corners, unevenness in the third wall as well as no caulk or support behind it so it is hollow and quite flexible. How many times did we point these things out as the day went by and we told Oscar it was not acceptable? At least 6 or 7 instances, except for the gouge which we just noticed!

We thought they would take more care, but there it is, THEY DON’T CARE! Clearly it cannot be our fault when we point these issues out and are told they will be done correctly and yet they still are not.

Also installed was a plastic, not metal, shower head and wand, AS WE WERE SOLD, and no inside horizontal bar for the door as we had before and were assured would be the same as when replaced. This was supposed to be an upgrade remodel, not a step down at premium prices. And they still have to come back to finish after two whole major inconvenient days?!

9:10 We see that the window framing (that was supposed to make that wall look nice, is crooked and the corners are still not on straight or even flush. We notice caulking tracked on the carpet. We had to have Oscar clean it twice, since leaving some on his first attempt to wipe it up was apparently acceptable to him. We still had to (clean it in front of him) for a third round since he was unwilling to clean it correctly. He must live in a pig sty to accept this level of “clean-up”.

Finally, 9:15PM, we are told not to use the shower until 24 more hours. That will be one more additional complete day of no use of our primary shower. So now paying a premium price for one day service has been for naught.
It has been a three day inconvenience, seasoned with disrespectful service and language.

At 9:25PM we went back up to look it over again and noticed the wall panel we had just complained about not having any caulk behind had been caved in by the light switch cover, it's looks cheap and very bad.
The light switches are not even or flush.
The wall is hollow, wavy and uneven.
The wooden door jamb is gouged and the caulking is not only uneven and sloppy, but has messes of it all over the jamb too. This is especially bad as it is what is in your face when sitting on the toilet.
The floor is now missing two several inch chunks from the corners and the trim that was there before is missing.
Where the fixture panel ends at the wall near the floor, it is a terrible fit and very messy job.
There is no caulking/sealant on the exterior of the shower door frame.

We also found a blob of dried caulk on our downstairs front door jamb, no where near the upstairs bathroom. Very sloppy, but now seemingly normal for this team of incompetent slobs.

We tried to sleep as it was an exhausting day, but unfortunately even that was not going to be an easy option. The adhesive they used to glue the wall panels on has stunk up our bedroom with an acidy, acridly pungent odor. Even with the windows open and a fan on, it reeks. And it continued to stink for days.
Never was this aspect of the installation mentioned, but by now, we are not surprised by anything these liars say or withhold. Now we get to wait for them to come back and finish, remember, they repeatedly stated and told us “You don’t pay us the balance until you’re 100% satisfied.” Think they are honest about that? Stay tuned and we’ll share the truth with you…

Do we dare to hope they can finish today?

It’s a new day and we wait and wait for the 8:30AM Saturday morning (next day) call so we can hopefully get this mess fixed in a timely manner. We are usually optimistic, but our patience is waning…
So, Randy finally calls Saturday morning at 9:56AM. 90 minutes late.
He starts off blaming us for not stopping Oscar from cutting and installing the window wall incorrectly. (There’s more of that great customer service!) We tried to explain to him Oscar said he knew what was supposed to be done, and Oscar did not ask us or even alert us that he was going to cut it that way. We did not even know he had begun installing the panels until we took a look. He is supposed to be the professional, not us.

We were always very clear and adamant about the tile design being installed symmetrically to the window and walls, and we did mention that to Oscar as well as having multiple discussions with John prior to agreeing to have the work done. At the time of the sales pitch, John said it is the way they always do it. Either he didn’t know what he was talking about, or he was just giving lip service.

Randy says he will call back soon after they discuss the problem with other people. Wonder why they had not done that in the wasted 90 minutes prior?

Two hours later and no call, hmmm… (We find out later that is status quo for all phone action with Re-Bath.)
At 12:15 PM we called the number Randy called us from, it was an "invalid number" according to the recording. We called the number he said we could contact him on and got the "we are closed" message. We left a message, never did get a response from him. He’s great at making threats and demands, but in reality he is a coward and hides behind an answering machine.

At 12:18 (coincidence…?) Oscar called and told me he was on his way, should be another 25 minutes or so. When asked why he wasn't here hours earlier as he said he would be he said it was because "they were discussing the situation", whatever that means. He also at that point said that now we could not use the shower for 24 hours after it was finished, contrary to the "you can use it tonight" he said Friday morning. Yep, real honesty and integrity with this bunch…

When Oscar arrived he did bring something of a warranty (mentioned earlier) written by Randy Summy, but it did not address the specific issues of concern that had been discussed many times with Randy and John of Re-Bath. Oscar was informed of this as Randy was not able to be reached, (like it mattered to him or anyone at Re-Bath for that matter).

Our biggest fear and reason we asked for the written warranty was to protect us if a water leak happened due to their work to insure that they would repair of all subsequent damage. Due the fact this is an upstairs shower and it could become very costly. (Maybe it was a premonition we had?)
A bit later Oscar said Randy asked for us to write up what we wanted in the additional warranty; we did and told Oscar we had a hard copy for him. He left it here. Wonder why Randy did not call me directly? Oh, we know why and have already stated it…

Oscar also brought a copy of the contract stating that the tiles and grout lines would not line up in the corner due to the limitations of the design. But that was expressly covered by John and was explained to me that it only had to do with the one wall that went between the entry door and the shower corner, NOT the window wall, which was to be CENTERED.
It is interesting how the contract is worded so vaguely and ambiguously, it can be interpreted in multiple ways. When asked for clarification on those points John the salesman repeatedly said it was only the width of the cut tiles that the contract was talking about. Now we are given a different interpretation to cover the mistakes they made. Nothing in the photos or Re-Bath showroom had bad alignment like they installed at our home.

Oscar also forgot to bring the grab rail he did not bring on Friday. So now they say the job won't be done until Tuesday? “One Day Installation” is now stretched to five days!

Work finally begins about 1:00PM, late a good four hours plus from what we were led to believe the start time would be… And they only bring one panel to replace the two they messed up. They tell us that is all that is available. Funny, when we chose that style we were told it was one of the most popular patterns/styles so there is plenty of material, but now “it has to be made just for us”. Then where did they get that one? Good thing we were wearing boots as it was getting pretty deep… Actually it was just them being as difficult and stubborn to us as they could...

An early indication of the value of Re-Bath’s word…

We have to share a pertinent part of the conversation had with Randy of Re-Bath on the first day of attempted installation. (The tone of conversation changed quite a bit once things were not going the way we were sold/told they would.) Since he refused to accept responsibility, he said he was noting that we approved exactly what was done so far before they continued work. (In other words he was lying about what was being said to him.) We said NO WAY repeatedly and refused to agree, but he persisted.

In what world can a contractor really believe he can make verbal change of contract that the consumer vehemently disapproves of and expect it to be valid?

We wonder what makes him think is it OK for him to make verbal attempts to change our contract, albeit contested ones, yet not even follow the written contract.
Randy kept repeating the mantra of "verbal contracts mean nothing". An interesting stance since we did not buy from him and he did not know what was sold to us apparently, (he was not the salesman, John Park was the salseman), but we did speak with him via the phone prior to purchasing with questions about what we thought were left out of the contract and warranty wording. He assured us over the phone that what was being requested would be fulfilled and he promised to back it up in writing.
We thought it interesting how he had done a 180 to suit himself once the installer was not doing what was agreed upon in both the written contract and the oral agreements made with the salesman.We had repeatedly asked for a clearly written warranty that said they covered all potential damage if there was a leak due to their workmanship or products.
(Their written lifetime warranty is vague and being the potential for catastrophe as this was an upstairs installation, we felt it was the honest thing for them to do.)
We were repeatedly assured we would get it. Oscar the installer brought something of a warranty written by Randy Summy, but it did not address the specific issues of concern that were clearly discussed many times with both Randy and John (the salesman) of Re-Bath.So, at that point, we were still waiting for it.
We made it clear, since they agreed to provide it before starting work, and repeated it when the down payment was made, without the warranty we would not make the final payment.

We figured they would provide it eventually since another quote they are found of throwing around (and have proven to us to be meaningless by the way) is “You don’t make the final payment until you are fully satisfied.”
If that was true it is doubtful they would ever collect that final payment honestly.